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Robin Motzer's avatar

Great analysis, Mike. The 4th Turning is a fascinating book, and I look forward to reading The 4th Turning is Here.

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Felix Purat's avatar

It's an intriguing analysis, and it certainly activates the part of me that likes to leave ranty comments. I'm 50/50 about what Howe says because while the analysis benefits from a stripped-down view of "generation-ness," for lack of a better term, it doesn't factor in (or at least not in this summary) the ideological character of Millennials. I don't think my socialist-minded generation is interested in building malls that symbolize "evil capitalism," and won't lend their efforts to anything that isn't socialisty. Though my generation is also very malleable, and sadly will kiss ass if they have too: you can see AOC do that in Washington. If anything, millennials want to downsize in the name of the environment. Hopefully Howe elaborated somewhat on minimalism in his book. But Howe is certainly right about one thing at least; there is a "turning" going on.

Still, I think it paints too rosy of a picture. I don't think the Boomers have a good history of being caretakers as a generation (not counting those individuals who did, of course): their legacy is one of dysfunction; vitriolic divorces and so on that psychological studies have shown are damaging to kids. If Millennials don't push back against Boomers, it's because of their generational trauma; the pain is acute, the dysfunctional parents will never admit to doing anything wrong and life is short. (At least until that life-extending tech arrives) Of course, nobody learns any lessons in this scenario except privately, and the impulse is to normalize dysfunction rather than counter it.

I think Boomers are also much more arrogant in their old age than previous generations, and this is explained by previous generations learning to respect their elders when they were young; the Boomers benefitted from rebellious times in the culture where they could give the middle finger to their parents. As GenX was also a rebellious generation, this arrogance is a risk they ought to watch out for as well as they grow older.

Still, I think there's an interesting point worth shedding light on here: the formative generational "moments" might well be pushed back, and the 20s of life might no longer be the defining era of a generation. If Howe is right, perhaps the moment for the Millennials was never meant to be the 2010s, but right now, or in the next decade. Perhaps it has something to do with our greater infantilization, where we don't leave "childhood" until we're twenty-five? In any case, life-extending tech will certainly consolidate that change. That's one consolation for Millennials: they have another bite at the apple. And it's true that they are passionate about tech. Too passionate, perhaps.

But god, I can't stand the collectivist mentality. No wonder there are people who believe individuality doesn't exist. They must be using my generation as their study sample.

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